There is a very long history in medicine of covering up negligence, incompetence and downright criminality with a convenient 'pin the tail on the patsy'. The higher up the chain of command the negligence lies, the greater the desire to find a scapegoat. Careers and fortunes have been made off the back of this corruption. Of course this doesn't just happen in medicine but in law, politics and pretty much any other aspect of life where reputations and egos need to be kept intact.
My apologies for yet again taking up Post space....just a thought on the strange "code" mentioned at trial where Lucy is said to have used a "code" in connection with the baby deaths.
"LO" was actually "LD" - LONG DAY - i'm sure Nurses know what that means ! I worked a few. Could be very tiring. My point - i haven't 20/20 vision, but could see the "D" quite easily. Mystery Code ? Was "LO" code for baby O ? Seems it was made out to be.......kind of blows that out of the water then..... i rest my case - QED.
You are absolutely right. Also a You tube video linked to a ordering of the text of Lucy's post it note, the one that is alleged to be her confession. Chris J Clark deconstructed the note .
It went as follows:
There are no words , I can't breath, I can't focus, overwhelming fear, panic. I haven't done anything wrong. ( commas are mine, and I also inserted a question mark, for the sense, but her note opens with her declaration that she hasn't done anything wrong)
Police investigation. Slander. Discrimination. victimisation. all getting too much, everything taking over my life, every day. I feel very alone and scared . what does the future hold? how can i get through it, how did things be like I don't deserve to live.
I am an awful person I pay every day for that kill myself right now. I'll never have children or never know what like to have a family, hate myself so much for what this has done
HATE IN CAPITALS CIRCLED.
They asked, they went I DID THIS I killed them on purpose, because I'm not good enough to take care of them , I am a horrible evil person
Killing me
I AM EVIL I DID THIS
I dont deserve mum and dad, world is better off without me xxxxx Lucy
Not good energy
No hope
Despair
Lost #
Why me?
this note in which I have inserted a few comma's was taken to be a confession by Lucy. But its nothing of the sort, its a declaration that she has done nothing wrong, how she feels victimized by the accusations, but what is most important about her note is the reported speech of ' They Said.. (she speaking of her accusers and what they say she had done.. killed..
so there is no note of her confession either. Though newspapers have touted this post note like nothing I have ever seen for sensational rubbish about her, which also of course draws people on her in a hateful way if they think this is a written confession of her guilt.
I would like to question why Lucy was working ALONE at night on a Critical Baby Unit ?
Thinking, this leaves her WIDE open to accusations of all sort, but chiefly to murder.
It is both UNSAFE and ILLEGAL for Nurses to work alone - i know because i was a Nurse and my Partner works as a Recovery Nurse. We both agree and know that you are never by yourself as a Nurse, and certainly NOT left by yourself on such a High Dependency Unit as Lucy was on.
Lucy mentioned Bullying, Victimization, (and i would add being a Scapegoat), and her Parents brought this before the Court, i believe = yet, it appears little account was taken of these serious episodes experienced by Lucy. I wonder why ? It is as if the Hospital wanted to keep that quiet - Reputation perhaps ?
It seems from my reading of her case that Lucy was not lacking in confidence enough to prevent her from placing Datix complaints concerning some of her Colleagues - wow ! that would have made her really popular with other Staff.......could there have been a Conspiracy in certain quarters within her working environment to "dish the dirt" on her, enough to, when a baby, or babies, died, make out it was Lucy responsible ?
There are so many conflicts and even contradictions in her case that there ought to be a re-trial, and / or an Appeal to try to really get to the bottom of what really happened in this upsetting case. And i mean upsetting in the widest sense, for Parents who lost little ones, and for Lucy and her Parents too.
I remember when Lucy was ushered into the rear seat of the Police car, the female Officer said she'd had recent knee surgery, the seat being far back, so that Lucy was cramped in the back seat. Lucy is heard to say :" Oh, right okay".......very matter-of-fact, we cannot read much into her words there.
Perhaps, she might have said something like :"oh, i'm very sorry to hear that, hope your knee will be ok". I suppose it wasn't a good time for niceties like that. No, i feel as a "gut" instinct, that Lucy must have been feeling terrible as she was taken away - she looks distressed, and she would, i am sure, be in inner turmoil. Also, she had on a purple / blue Lee Cooper track suit - called a Leisure suit, .......but does that detail really matter, because the Prosecution tried to catch her out in a lie, when she said a Night suit, or whatever.
Nit-picking, i call it. We KNOW that Lucy did not lie about the Plumbing issues within the Hospital building, and that was important because Pathogens, as has been mentioned, were likely present on Lucy's Unit and who knows what havoc they caused. Cf Covid a few years after the deaths on the Neo Natal unit where Lucy worked.
I fully support a re-trial and / or Appeal for Lucy.
Can also see what looks like a nightdress not tucked in. If I was asleep at 6am & woken by a knock on the door I would pull something on over my nightdress. Don't know why this matters anyway?
As far as I know other nurses were working on the same shifts too, she did not work alone. Also doctors were regularly called in. But the ward had a several rooms and the nurses would for short periods of time be in separate rooms taking care of the babies.
I am disturbed by the use made of Lucy's Notes during the trial........i have seen how the Prosecution used her writings to build the case for almost a Confession from her, based on what she wrote in those Post-it and other notes.
As i see it, reading as best as i can through her notes, and trying to make some sense of them, they represent the mind of a very distressed and anguished person......a person under extreme pressure, both from work and from being investigated by the Authorities. I can well see how this would translate to paper for Lucy in the form of very disturbed and disjointed writings.......it's almost as though someone was telling her to say "i killed them", "i did it," "i am a horrible person", and so on.
Of course, it might be construed by some as the exact truth.......as we saw, almost a Confessiion.
No signature.......mention of her cats... i don't understand the piece about "Police forgot......discrimination ??? Could this be a reference in her state of mind to being discriminated against i.e. because she "blew the Whistle" on certain Colleagues, therefore they singled her out ?
There seems a lot of suppressed anger ? Could it all be an elaborate ruse to fool those looking at her writings into believing her to be insane, so that she would plead criminal insanity and so get a lesser sentence ?? Diminished Responsibility, but i think that has been ruled out on the grounds that Lucy was not of unsound mind (?).
I come full circle back to my original thought that Lucy was so distressed, overwrought, felt she should have done more to prevent baby deaths ( hence the presence of so many Notes on care found at her home - trying to make some sense of where she might have gone wrong in giving care to the infants....COULD she have given wrong treatment, in the mistaken belief that she was doing good ? Is that necessarily a crime of itself ? Thought she was so good as a Nurse that she had enormous self - doubt when babies under her immediate care fell ill, collapsed, or died.....so many imponderables........like many of you, i want to try to see the glass clearly, and not darkly........and this is why i believe a re-trial and Appeal (if it would be granted) is vital in Lucy's case.
It sounds as if i'm painting Lucy to be a fantastic Nurse, who has been totally maligned and the unfortunate baby deaths and collapses just - well - unfortunate. Sadly, that seems a fantasy.....were it proved to be so............how sad still for the babies and Parents who were involved in this Tragedy, but it would at least exonerate Lucy and restore some of the damage done for her Parents and friends.
Many thanks to you for troubling to read all of this long diatribe.
What is the reference concerning a Prescription mentioned in Lucy’s Diary. What Medication was Lucy on - prior to her arrest / investigation. Lots of unanswered questions …… more cans of worms to be opened, hopefully.
I also noticed the reference to a prescription and wondered what medication she was on. She had a thyroid or underactive thyroid since a child I think. Anybody know about this medication?
Heard that a doctor has written to the BMJ saying that Lucy’s conviction may be suspect and unsafe. Let’s hope more Medics sign up to that. Very encouraging. Also read that Lucy has allegedly been consorting with other criminals, notably a mother who killed her Child. Truth or further trashing of Lucy’s character ?
…..sounds to me like trying to “dish the dirt” on Lucy yet again…..further Character Assassination. Hoping Lucy gets a decent Defence next time instead of the mockery which passed for her “Defence” last time. Who is the “unnamed nurse” referred to during the trial ….. why unnamed ? What is being kept from us all here, and why ??
I have to conclude that the Countess of Chester Hospital where Lucy worked, was a shambolic mess and needed a shake - up ……perhaps, some good will emerge from this mess, in that the corruption evident within the Hospital management structure will be purged, and the TRUTH will out……good luck to you, Lucy - you exposed the level of deceit and mismanagement rife within the Hospital.
The twins who Lucy is accused of murdering, apparently had HIGH blood sugar levels anyway, so required Insulin - so how come Lucy was blamed for “poisoning” them by giving Insulin ? Come on, let’s be realistic here……let us see some REAL evidence instead of manufactured, drummed up guesswork. Yes, I DO believe Lucy to be innocent, a belief strengthened by the sort of downright incompetence we have witnessed during Lucy’s sham of a “trial”. And how is that only now are some of her nursing “colleagues” prepared to give interviews saying that Lucy was not the type of person they would choose as their friend ? Makes zero sense in my view. Hoping Lucy has a Re - trial and that her Appeal application will be heard …….
What happened BEFRE 2015 regarding the number of Neo Natal deaths ? Nobody seems to have investigated these to see if OTHER nurses might have been on duty when these deaths occurred…….all adds up to a witch hunt to me against Lucy.
Spot on Mr Law!.
The NHS TRUST treats its critics without mercy.
I am a NHS WHISTLEBLOWER who has been indefinitely illegally GAGGED and banned from any NHS TRUST.
I blew the whistle on the gross substandard (heinous/abhorrant) care that was killing patients at UHW CARDIFF.
Prosecuted and criminalised.
I have Medical PTSD and know Ms Letby will still be in medical "Shock"
and urrerly unable to defend herself during the proceedings.
feldmeier@btinternet.com
There is a very long history in medicine of covering up negligence, incompetence and downright criminality with a convenient 'pin the tail on the patsy'. The higher up the chain of command the negligence lies, the greater the desire to find a scapegoat. Careers and fortunes have been made off the back of this corruption. Of course this doesn't just happen in medicine but in law, politics and pretty much any other aspect of life where reputations and egos need to be kept intact.
Thank you. Much needed balance.
My apologies for yet again taking up Post space....just a thought on the strange "code" mentioned at trial where Lucy is said to have used a "code" in connection with the baby deaths.
"LO" was actually "LD" - LONG DAY - i'm sure Nurses know what that means ! I worked a few. Could be very tiring. My point - i haven't 20/20 vision, but could see the "D" quite easily. Mystery Code ? Was "LO" code for baby O ? Seems it was made out to be.......kind of blows that out of the water then..... i rest my case - QED.
You are absolutely right. Also a You tube video linked to a ordering of the text of Lucy's post it note, the one that is alleged to be her confession. Chris J Clark deconstructed the note .
It went as follows:
There are no words , I can't breath, I can't focus, overwhelming fear, panic. I haven't done anything wrong. ( commas are mine, and I also inserted a question mark, for the sense, but her note opens with her declaration that she hasn't done anything wrong)
Police investigation. Slander. Discrimination. victimisation. all getting too much, everything taking over my life, every day. I feel very alone and scared . what does the future hold? how can i get through it, how did things be like I don't deserve to live.
I am an awful person I pay every day for that kill myself right now. I'll never have children or never know what like to have a family, hate myself so much for what this has done
HATE IN CAPITALS CIRCLED.
They asked, they went I DID THIS I killed them on purpose, because I'm not good enough to take care of them , I am a horrible evil person
Killing me
I AM EVIL I DID THIS
I dont deserve mum and dad, world is better off without me xxxxx Lucy
Not good energy
No hope
Despair
Lost #
Why me?
this note in which I have inserted a few comma's was taken to be a confession by Lucy. But its nothing of the sort, its a declaration that she has done nothing wrong, how she feels victimized by the accusations, but what is most important about her note is the reported speech of ' They Said.. (she speaking of her accusers and what they say she had done.. killed..
so there is no note of her confession either. Though newspapers have touted this post note like nothing I have ever seen for sensational rubbish about her, which also of course draws people on her in a hateful way if they think this is a written confession of her guilt.
Its nothing of the kind
I would like to question why Lucy was working ALONE at night on a Critical Baby Unit ?
Thinking, this leaves her WIDE open to accusations of all sort, but chiefly to murder.
It is both UNSAFE and ILLEGAL for Nurses to work alone - i know because i was a Nurse and my Partner works as a Recovery Nurse. We both agree and know that you are never by yourself as a Nurse, and certainly NOT left by yourself on such a High Dependency Unit as Lucy was on.
Lucy mentioned Bullying, Victimization, (and i would add being a Scapegoat), and her Parents brought this before the Court, i believe = yet, it appears little account was taken of these serious episodes experienced by Lucy. I wonder why ? It is as if the Hospital wanted to keep that quiet - Reputation perhaps ?
It seems from my reading of her case that Lucy was not lacking in confidence enough to prevent her from placing Datix complaints concerning some of her Colleagues - wow ! that would have made her really popular with other Staff.......could there have been a Conspiracy in certain quarters within her working environment to "dish the dirt" on her, enough to, when a baby, or babies, died, make out it was Lucy responsible ?
There are so many conflicts and even contradictions in her case that there ought to be a re-trial, and / or an Appeal to try to really get to the bottom of what really happened in this upsetting case. And i mean upsetting in the widest sense, for Parents who lost little ones, and for Lucy and her Parents too.
I remember when Lucy was ushered into the rear seat of the Police car, the female Officer said she'd had recent knee surgery, the seat being far back, so that Lucy was cramped in the back seat. Lucy is heard to say :" Oh, right okay".......very matter-of-fact, we cannot read much into her words there.
Perhaps, she might have said something like :"oh, i'm very sorry to hear that, hope your knee will be ok". I suppose it wasn't a good time for niceties like that. No, i feel as a "gut" instinct, that Lucy must have been feeling terrible as she was taken away - she looks distressed, and she would, i am sure, be in inner turmoil. Also, she had on a purple / blue Lee Cooper track suit - called a Leisure suit, .......but does that detail really matter, because the Prosecution tried to catch her out in a lie, when she said a Night suit, or whatever.
Nit-picking, i call it. We KNOW that Lucy did not lie about the Plumbing issues within the Hospital building, and that was important because Pathogens, as has been mentioned, were likely present on Lucy's Unit and who knows what havoc they caused. Cf Covid a few years after the deaths on the Neo Natal unit where Lucy worked.
I fully support a re-trial and / or Appeal for Lucy.
Thank you for looking at my Post.
Can also see what looks like a nightdress not tucked in. If I was asleep at 6am & woken by a knock on the door I would pull something on over my nightdress. Don't know why this matters anyway?
Maybe she was not allowed to do that ? Or not able anymore as her hands were tied together behind her back ? Or too shocked to think straight ?
We all know what we would do in a certain situation. Until that situation arises.
Also, it must have been upsetting for her to see that the Chester PD had made sure the media were present as she was taken out of her house.
As far as I know other nurses were working on the same shifts too, she did not work alone. Also doctors were regularly called in. But the ward had a several rooms and the nurses would for short periods of time be in separate rooms taking care of the babies.
I am disturbed by the use made of Lucy's Notes during the trial........i have seen how the Prosecution used her writings to build the case for almost a Confession from her, based on what she wrote in those Post-it and other notes.
As i see it, reading as best as i can through her notes, and trying to make some sense of them, they represent the mind of a very distressed and anguished person......a person under extreme pressure, both from work and from being investigated by the Authorities. I can well see how this would translate to paper for Lucy in the form of very disturbed and disjointed writings.......it's almost as though someone was telling her to say "i killed them", "i did it," "i am a horrible person", and so on.
Of course, it might be construed by some as the exact truth.......as we saw, almost a Confessiion.
No signature.......mention of her cats... i don't understand the piece about "Police forgot......discrimination ??? Could this be a reference in her state of mind to being discriminated against i.e. because she "blew the Whistle" on certain Colleagues, therefore they singled her out ?
There seems a lot of suppressed anger ? Could it all be an elaborate ruse to fool those looking at her writings into believing her to be insane, so that she would plead criminal insanity and so get a lesser sentence ?? Diminished Responsibility, but i think that has been ruled out on the grounds that Lucy was not of unsound mind (?).
I come full circle back to my original thought that Lucy was so distressed, overwrought, felt she should have done more to prevent baby deaths ( hence the presence of so many Notes on care found at her home - trying to make some sense of where she might have gone wrong in giving care to the infants....COULD she have given wrong treatment, in the mistaken belief that she was doing good ? Is that necessarily a crime of itself ? Thought she was so good as a Nurse that she had enormous self - doubt when babies under her immediate care fell ill, collapsed, or died.....so many imponderables........like many of you, i want to try to see the glass clearly, and not darkly........and this is why i believe a re-trial and Appeal (if it would be granted) is vital in Lucy's case.
It sounds as if i'm painting Lucy to be a fantastic Nurse, who has been totally maligned and the unfortunate baby deaths and collapses just - well - unfortunate. Sadly, that seems a fantasy.....were it proved to be so............how sad still for the babies and Parents who were involved in this Tragedy, but it would at least exonerate Lucy and restore some of the damage done for her Parents and friends.
Many thanks to you for troubling to read all of this long diatribe.
What is the reference concerning a Prescription mentioned in Lucy’s Diary. What Medication was Lucy on - prior to her arrest / investigation. Lots of unanswered questions …… more cans of worms to be opened, hopefully.
I also noticed the reference to a prescription and wondered what medication she was on. She had a thyroid or underactive thyroid since a child I think. Anybody know about this medication?
….someone’s having a good laugh somewhere in Lucy’s case…….and not her.
Heard that a doctor has written to the BMJ saying that Lucy’s conviction may be suspect and unsafe. Let’s hope more Medics sign up to that. Very encouraging. Also read that Lucy has allegedly been consorting with other criminals, notably a mother who killed her Child. Truth or further trashing of Lucy’s character ?
…..sounds to me like trying to “dish the dirt” on Lucy yet again…..further Character Assassination. Hoping Lucy gets a decent Defence next time instead of the mockery which passed for her “Defence” last time. Who is the “unnamed nurse” referred to during the trial ….. why unnamed ? What is being kept from us all here, and why ??
There is a growing call for Lucy’s vindication of all charges against her - TERRIFIC .
Watching this space for news of Lucy’s Appeal and proper Defence.
I have to conclude that the Countess of Chester Hospital where Lucy worked, was a shambolic mess and needed a shake - up ……perhaps, some good will emerge from this mess, in that the corruption evident within the Hospital management structure will be purged, and the TRUTH will out……good luck to you, Lucy - you exposed the level of deceit and mismanagement rife within the Hospital.
The twins who Lucy is accused of murdering, apparently had HIGH blood sugar levels anyway, so required Insulin - so how come Lucy was blamed for “poisoning” them by giving Insulin ? Come on, let’s be realistic here……let us see some REAL evidence instead of manufactured, drummed up guesswork. Yes, I DO believe Lucy to be innocent, a belief strengthened by the sort of downright incompetence we have witnessed during Lucy’s sham of a “trial”. And how is that only now are some of her nursing “colleagues” prepared to give interviews saying that Lucy was not the type of person they would choose as their friend ? Makes zero sense in my view. Hoping Lucy has a Re - trial and that her Appeal application will be heard …….
What happened BEFRE 2015 regarding the number of Neo Natal deaths ? Nobody seems to have investigated these to see if OTHER nurses might have been on duty when these deaths occurred…….all adds up to a witch hunt to me against Lucy.